Goodwin 1st MRB

One commonality I find interesting - from a purely social standpoint - is how quickly weed smokers are to bring up other vices. They will not stick to weed singularly - but will say "well, drunks get in more accidents or kill more people" or "Cigarettes kill more people", they will not debate weed and only weed. This whole thread is rattled with comparisons, but no real 'discussion'. While it's easy to say "why?", the answer to that question is not one that either side is really ready to accept - as evidenced by the amount of discussion (read as: opinion) already stated thus far into the thread. There are far less hard 'facts' about this whole subject than either side really wants to admit.

I disagree on the 'no one is in your face about it' part - because what you originally listed were 'FACTS' (which are NOT Opinion) that were an attempt to rationalize pot usage. The idea that those 'facts' were put up without ANY precursor or debate about the issue lends me to feel as if (this is just my opinion) that is being kind of "in your face" about it. No one was talking about the subject, no one was discussing it, and out of nowhere you bring up a thread about 'FACTS' relating to it that do nothing but rationalize it's usage using horrible logic and misguided statistics. Then you went on to try and quantify your support of it by using 'real world' evidence and 'facts' and listing only 1/100000000000000000000th of the population as part of your 'real world' statistics. Even yet - you talk out against REAL statistical evidence of scarring of brain tissue, with nothing but personal opinion and conjecture. I think based on all of that - it's pretty 'in your face' to the non-users, because you refuse to admit that they may have a point and move on. You're constantly battling it, trying to get them to see and agree to your point of view (in a thread that YOU started). That is exactly what religious fanatics do, and it's why people dislike them passionately. In order to just 'voice your opinion' - you should just state your opinion, recognize other well thought out opinions, give them their merit and move on. Don't sit and try to disprove absolutely everything anyone says with your own personal opinion, false statistics, and unrealistic ideals. At that point you're not just 'giving your opinion - you're trying to change someones mind about something. And no longer is it 'voicing an opinion' it's being 'in someones face' about the issue. That said, I've never taken any drugs. I've broken my collerbone twice, my jaw once (in 3 spots), my back, my hand twice (both of which required extensive surgery) - and I have never so much as even taken a Tylenol or Advil - ever. I told the docs every time "don't bother with the scripts, I won't use the meds.", but they always write them and I throw them away. I don't feel the need for ANY drug - let alone something as weak as pot. I don't need a damned plant to get me somewhere else 'psychologically', I feel as if my own intelligence and creativity can get the job done. That is just my personal opinion. And as I've said before - I could give a shit if someone DOES smoke or do drugs or whatever. MANY of my closest friends have done/do drugs. I'm okay with it - but they're not all in my face about it. They've offered, I've declined, and that's that. Legalizing pot and it's usage therein is worth another thread on it's own IMO. It truly is a very interesting debate. Both sides bring to the table a lot of evidence, and there is a lot of interesting history to the whole situation (as Ford has pointed out).

Yes, and no. The statistics you listed as 'real', were probably the most 'unreal' stats anyone has ever tried to use in this debate. So that is a 'you're wrong' part of this conversation. Also, the original 25 'facts', were completely wrong as well. Therefore another 'wrong' part of the conversation. As far as who cares and 'live and let live', then yes - no one is right, lets all just get along and move on and forget this horribly unrealistic thread existed

okay, you love "real" statistics, but you list off ONLY people you know, which amounts to about... probably (this is a 'real' estimate) 1/1000000000000000 of the population (you realize how insanely tiny that is, right? and how ABSOLUTELY unrealistic and completely statistically irrelevant that is, right? And how many MILLIONS of other factors come into play with your 'study', right?). How is that in any way shape or form even CLOSE to real? Let me explain - it's not. Also, personal bias comes into play in your story - which scientifically (i.e. statistically) is something you should avoid - another reason why your 'real' statistics are about as real as Santa Clause. Also, if you want to talk 'statistics' when you're discussing alcohol & cig abuse vs. HS dropouts & college graduates - you must also look at their age, the demographics associated with those age ranges, and the educational levels of the different generations. Did you do ANY of that? No. Whoops! It's all good man, do what you do. But just as weed smokers hate people who try to shove down their throat how it's wrong... people who don't like drugs hate druggies who try and shove it down their throat that it's harmless.

Ah, youth. ...or someone who believes the propaganda outlined above btw, I'm j'k. I don't care if people do whatever - as long as they ain't buggin me!

Exactly. And Connary, I am aware that there are a lot of holes that can be punched in both sides of the arguments, every story has two sides! And personally I don't care either way. I'm not a user so it doesn't matter to me but it's just the fact people read articles like that and go "hey, yea dude, see?? It's not bad at all!" when in reality those are some of the weakest made, poorly written, horribly structured 'facts' I've ever seen to date for anything! I dunno, just seems silly to post something so erroneous, as if you're trying to make a point with it.

.......? Also one could argue many of these 'facts' aren't really that clear - statistically they're ambiguous which leads me to believe there isn't much evidence one way or the other but they want to make a point that weed is 'okay', so they manipulate the stats to fit, and call it 'fact'. That's ridiculous - and a sure sign of a weak argument IMO. I mean hell - 'fact' #4 doesn't even have ANYTHING to do with marijuana other than it's an element to the statistic (which is a law enforcement stat). I have to wonder who writes this bullshit - and even worse yet - who believes this shit? I mean, I could literally go through this thing 'fact' by 'fact' and shoot holes through many of them... but I have better things to do with my time (like look at porn).

This was apparently 'real', but it's hilarious regardless. Another story of someone being creative with customer service rep's! From: Jane Gilles Date: Wednesday 8 Oct 2008 12.19pm To: David Thorne Subject: Overdue account Dear David, Our records indicate that your account is overdue by the amount of $233.95. If you have already made this payment please contact us within the next 7 days to confirm payment has been applied to your account and is no longer outstanding. Yours sincerely, Jane Gilles From: David Thorne Date: Wednesday 8 Oct 2008 12.37pm To: Jane Gilles Subject: Re: Overdue account Dear Jane, I do not have any money so am sending you this drawing I did of a spider instead. I value the drawing at $233.95 so trust that this settles the matter. Regards, David. From: Jane Gilles Date: Thursday 9 Oct 2008 10.07am To: David Thorne Subject: Overdue account Dear David, Thankyou for contacting us. Unfortunately we are unable to accept drawings as payment and your account remains in arrears of $233.95. Please contact us within the next 7 days to confirm payment has been applied to your account and is no longer outstanding. Yours sincerely, Jane Gilles From: David Thorne Date: Thursday 9 Oct 2008 10.32am To: Jane Gilles Subject: Re: Overdue account Dear Jane, Can I have my drawing of a spider back then please. Regards, David. From: Jane Gilles Date: Thursday 9 Oct 2008 11.42am To: David Thorne Subject: Re: Re: Overdue account Dear David, You emailed the drawing to me. Do you want me to email it back to you? Yours sincerely, Jane Gilles From: David Thorne Date: Thursday 9 Oct 2008 11.56am To: Jane Gilles Subject: Re: Re: Re: Overdue account Dear Jane, Yes please. Regards, David. From: Jane Gilles Date: Thursday 9 Oct 2008 12.14pm To: David Thorne Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Overdue account Attached <spider.gif> From: David Thorne Date: Friday 10 Oct 2008 09.22am To: Jane Gilles Subject: Whose spider is that? Dear Jane, Are you sure this drawing of a spider is the one I sent you? This spider only has seven legs and I do not feel I would have made such an elementary mistake when I drew it. Regards, David. From: Jane Gilles Date: Friday 10 Oct 2008 11.03am To: David Thorne Subject: Re: Whose spider is that? Dear David, Yes it is the same drawing. I copied and pasted it from the email you sent me on the 8th. David your account is still overdue by the amount of $233.95. Please make this payment as soon as possible. Yours sincerely, Jane Gilles From: David Thorne Date: Friday 10 Oct 2008 11.05am To: Jane Gilles Subject: Automated Out of Office Response Thankyou for contacting me. I am currently away on leave, traveling through time and will be returning last week. Regards, David. From: David Thorne Date: Friday 10 Oct 2008 11.08am To: Jane Gilles Subject: Re: Re: Whose spider is that? Hello, I am back and have read through your emails and accept that despite missing a leg, that drawing of a spider may indeed be the one I sent you. I realise with hindsight that it is possible you rejected the drawing of a spider due to this obvious limb ommission but did not point it out in an effort to avoid hurting my feelings. As such, I am sending you a revised drawing with the correct number of legs as full payment for any amount outstanding. I trust this will bring the matter to a conclusion. Regards, David. From: Jane Gilles Date: Monday 13 Oct 2008 2.51pm To: David Thorne Subject: Re: Re: Re: Whose spider is that? Dear David, As I have stated, we do not accept drawings in lei of money for accounts outstanding. We accept cheque, bank cheque, money order or cash. Please make a payment this week to avoid incurring any additional fees. Yours sincerely, Jane Gilles From: David Thorne Date: Monday 13 Oct 2008 3.17pm To: Jane Gilles Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whose spider is that? I understand and will definitely make a payment this week if I remember. As you have not accepted my second drawing as payment, please return the drawing to me as soon as possible. It was silly of me to assume I could provide you with something of completely no value whatsoever, waste your time and then attach such a large amount to it. Regards, David. From: Jane Gilles Date: Tuesday 14 Oct 2008 11.18am To: David Thorne Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whose spider is that? Attached <spider2.gif>

Singlehandedly one of the best real life phone calls I've ever seen. AMAZING! Bravo!

And people wonder why I don't play more... I play enough to get to the next level - once I hit the cap it is ONLY instances enough to barely gear me enough for raiding with my friends. Then it's strictly raiding to get the gear. I could give a shit if I don't have some other little BS stuff you can get from this instance or that instance. Gimme the raiding - let me see the endgame content - let me get on with my life after that.

Female Shipmate 1: "blah blah blah, blah blah blah, I'm a dirty slut" Male Captain: "blah blah blah, blah blah blah, suck my dick" (that is verbatim, what they said)

True. Someone will ALWAYS kill cool ideas because of their incompetency.

Yes sir. My sincere apologies.

He can roll them all day long. While he's rolling his eyes I'll be gaming in the best damned DOD:S server this side of the world.

TW'ing is Team Wounding - which is what you did when you 'team attacked'. I personally don't know if the ban is permanent or not - but seeing as you did admit to blatantly breaking the rules (which are right there to read when you connect) I can definitely see and agree with the need for some time away from our server. How long that time away is - is not up to me at this point however.

No TW'ing, No TK'ing. It's right there when you come in the server to read. You just admitted to TW'ing - since when has that ever been a GOOD idea? Oh yea... never.

Happy birFday.

No lie brother, I've seen some hot sauces in my day. A dude I used to work with ate hot sauce like candy, then a girl who was from Nepal laughed at our 'hot sauce' we have around here.... He got a bottle of this: Z HOT SAUCE I touched only the inside of the LID of it, then licked a small little sliver on my finger... my mouth had flames coming out (not literally) - but surprisingly it had a lot of flavor that I really enjoyed and because of it, I will occasionaly pick up new hot sauces just to try small amounts of on favorite foods. For lunch? My buddy poured a bunch of it into his mac & cheese and casually ate it - commenting on the 'pretty good' flavor it had.. I was in shock. The replies on that site are pretty negative on it - but damn, it actually tasted good to me! All that said - I like hot sauce, although I can't eat a lot of it at any time and am a pansy when it comes to 'hot' foods. I definitely wouldn't do those wings you ate... HELL no.

Also... there are options which disable sync'ing to the cloud, but these options are NOT recommended to be utilized.

I am taking you to court for murder. You've slowly murdered 2 minutes off of my life that I can never EVER get back.

Awesome read!! Excellent work! This was such a great idea - I enjoyed it immensely.

While it appears that this has been decided... I thought I'd just add my $.02. I have played with King for quite some time (as well as some of the other Primos members when they were a little larger) and while at times they can be just as vocal about stuff as anyone else, for the most part they're good players who are too busy pwning face to be a 'nuisance'. Anytime things have gotten out of hand, the primo's guys have always been on point with keeping things in line and being respectful. There have been plenty of times where they've helped admins as well, pointing out TK'ers and TW'ers. While their language might have been not the 'best choice', I don't think it's necessary to 'have a chat with them', as they're good people and have always seemed as such to me. Just my $.02, and I'm sorry you felt this was worth leaving the unit over. But if this is something that would make you leave the unit, this probably wasn't the best fit for you in the first place. Good luck in your future playing!

Yes, sir!

I have the same problem, for some reason women always end up calling me 'hugeschlongwin' - it's so frustrating especially in public. Because then I have MORE women asking for my digits and stuff...

Getting a lot of choke usually is because of improper net related settings for your system, but can imply other issues too. (I would say 'maybe your graphics are under powered - but your PC is great) With how new your system is, and how powerful it is - you shouldn't be getting 'choppy' graphics at all. I play on a system that has a graphics card with only 1/4th of that GPU power and my graphics are flawless 98% of the time. 1st - Update your drivers. YES, this is VERY important. Make sure they're ALL up to date. Takes a little time, but it's COMPLETELY necessary and will help greatly with making sure they are NOT the issue. Also, again, when you get a new system, it's very important to setup the game settings to your individual PC. Just looking online and finding 'perfect settings' for some other guy, with some other PC, won't work for you. Often times it will cause WORSE game play for you! There is a lot of documentation out there on lowering your lerp, yet keeping your choke in acceptable ranges (0 if possible, but up to around 10-12 choke under heavy fire with tons of people around is still moderately acceptable). Anything significantly higher and you WILL notice terrible bullet registration etc. I believe the formula used by Valve is: cl_interp_ratio/cl_updaterate = cl_interp With regards to your choke, and the fact that your graphics are very choppy, my FIRST inclination is that it's a driver issue. Because most of the settings that effect your choke - don't do jack squat for your graphics. So the fact your getting TONS of choke, as well as choppy graphics (with such a great graphics card) really points towards drivers... If you're 100% beyond positive that your drivers are COMPLETELY up to date, then we'll have to bark up another tree Hope this helps!