O'Gara 1st MRB

I would have started the post wishing you a happy B day but they might have realized we are sleeping together!

Happy B-Day man your one of the reasons I joined this unit!

JP

There goes the neighborhood. I can see the news now....huge spike in Ottawa missing children....

Lock up your children.

I don't know about you guys but that bitch yells a lot.

Serial killer 101.

I think we should report this to someone.

Birsket 11 hour Smoke and then 3 hours in tinfoil in my beer cooler.

This is the best brisket that I have ever smoked.

This weekend I am doing Gumbo and smoked brisket. I will most likely make brisket chili Tues or Wed of next week.

Here is the Gumbo so far

Canned Roux? I am irish and that just sounds horrible, it is easy to do just takes patience.

This is dinner over rice and still has an hour to go. It is Paula Deen's recipe.

Here is the brisket getting ready, mustard bath and then spice rub.

This will go low and slow in the smoker for about 12 hours tomorrow. YUM!

Start posting pics of what you make!

Ribs Last night. New way to cook them in 2.25 hours, they were great! Rub the ribs, clear wrap them and put them in the oven for 2 hours at 200 deg. Then finish them up on the grill to get them crispy. YUM!

My smoker going full blast with pork butt and sausage for 190 people for a Scout dinner!

I know I saw the Food porn but this is a little different it is what your cooking each night and how your cooking it.

Gardner is a man after my heart. I have basil, chives and rosemary growing in my garden right now.

Reis did you prepare that leg of lamb? It looks awesome.

Ok, so I am a self described Foodie. I love cooking, Grilling and Smoking Meat. How many of you out there have been bit by this addiction?

I would like to use this thread to show what you guys are making each night but also what your cooking it on.

Tonight I did chicken and veggie kabobs on my propane weber grill. Here is how it came out

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab161/j...pg?t=1377389734

This will be my last post on the topic. Peaker, your missing the point here. Manning was tried in a Military court. No judge was appointed he is a JAG carrier military Soldier. No boogy men behind him getting his position and no one pulling strings over his decisions. He was convicted buy his peers only.

As for your points O'Gara, I will address them each in turn, though some of them are of course a question of personal beliefs and preferences:

On the contrary, examining past events (Especially wars) and their effect on the current political climate is pretty much the basis of any meaningful politico-historical analysis. The "Coalition" you speak of counted a vast number of small nations that have very little weight in NATO, and only three countries contributed troops to the actual invasion (The UK, the US and Australia). Canada didn't participate, nor did France. In fact there was no evidence of Saddam planning any hostile action against the United States, or of a build up of WMDs. While Saddam was a pretty horrid dictator, and I don't miss him one bit, I hope no one here is under the illusion that ridding the world of a dangerous dictator is the reason the Iraq war happened. The US supported murderous juntas, dictators and regimes throughout the entire 20th century, and still does. I didn't see the Coalition of the Willing spearhead an invasion of Saudi Arabia, or of Bahrein. They backed Mubarak until he was thrown out by the pissed off populace. Torturing people does that.

Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from 19 March to 9 April 2003. These were the United States (148,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194). 36 other countries were involved in its aftermath. In preparation for the invasion 40 Countries is hardly a small number.

No Hostile action against the US? How about this nice fact. American and British aircraft continuously maintained the integrity of the NFZ, receiving anti-aircraft fire from Iraqi forces almost daily. (over 8 years). The operation continued until it transitioned to Operation Southern Focus in June 2002. They began to carry out offensive sorties, not only against targets that had fired on them, but upon installations that had demonstrated no hostile intent. The U.S. claimed that these increased attacks were the result of increasing Iraqi provocations, but later, in July 2005, the British Ministry of Defense released figures showing that the number of provocations had actually dropped dramatically prior to and just after the increase in allied attacks. Their records indicate that in the first seven months of 2001, there had been 370 provocations on the part of Iraq. 370 attacks on US and Coalition aircrews protecting the 2 no fly zones (that were protecting the Kurdish population) is an act of war each and every time.

My issue with that line of thought is basically: Where do you draw the line? How much freedom are you ready to sacrifice in order to have peace of mind? It's remarkably similar to the gun issue, which is why I advocate something of a middle ground. What is definitely wrong however is intelligence services doing those things off the radar, without any accountability except to themselves, which is why I approve of what Snowden and Manning did. If they had released tactical information, or things that had endangered operatives in the field, then I would definitely say that they have committed treason. Again, I think it's rather hypocritical that exposing illegal practices inside the US government is judged worthy of a prison term, but that starting an illegitimate war that ended up costing thousands of American, Canadians, English etc... lives is not even worth a prosecution. That's probably because the US doesn't recognize the international tribunal though.

My line is Protecting Americans from Harm, the greater good. Period

Treason has everything to do with corporate greed, because the people deciding what treason is are the same people that protect America's corporate paradise, and believe me, they primarily act in their own interest.

I am sorry it has nothing at all to do with that. The constitution decides what treason is and those people who wrote it are long dead. The people who decided his fate was a Military court and the presiding Judge and they really have no power at all and are completely removed from any corporations. The only people that protect this great Nation and the freedom we all have is the millions of young men and women in our Military. The sacrifices they (and their families) make on a daily basis is truly humbling! God Bless each and every one of them!

And OGara, if the Congress and Senate are so efficient at pursuing breaches of ethics, how come nobody was ever punished for starting a war in Iraq under false pretences? There were no WMDs after all, nor any evidence of there being any in the first place, when the decision to invade yet another country was taken. How come congress doesn't talk about the CIA training deaths squads in Argentina? Do you believe that congressmen and senators alike were unaware of what happened in Guantanamo? Even though it happened over multiple administrations, both republicans and democrats? What about the outsourcing of torture to Egypt, or other less "righteous" countries?

Congress and the Senate are not efficient and I never claimed they were. What is brutally efficient in this Nation if the hatred of one political party for the other political party. This wanting to make the power that sits in the Oval Office look bad is exactly what would have made it easy to get his claims investigated. Regarding the war in Iraq, the entire coalition of Nations and forces all agreed that that leader was a threat and something needed to be done and they all did the job. Monday morning quarterbacking of a war is never a good thing.

You ask us to trust the government channels, but what has the government done to earn that trust?

I don't ask you to trust our Government to do anything. Politics would have been more than enough to get this into a minority controlled sub committee. As an adult I fully understand that my country may at times have to do questionable things to keep each and everyone here safe. I understand this and if that means that they read my emails and listen to my phone call then so be it! How many Americans would be disgusted to find that we were hit again by Terrorists only to find that we could have stopped the attack by simply listening in on cell phones and emails. I know I would. I make this exception to my Liberties only for the reason that it could save many American lives.

Great discussion guys

JP

We definitely know that he compromised over 10,000 diplomatic messages buy releasing confidential material. That is a fact and is punishable by life in Leavenworth.

Peaker, they would have immediately investigated the issue in a partisan Congress and Senate, there are many Republicans that would have been happy to give this legs.

Benghazi happened because they knew the Ambassadors route of travel and that he was staying at the remote unguarded embassy and not the regular Marine protected embassy. That only comes from intel from those that knew his schedule and that came from people that the Ambassador was dealing with on the ground. It is only logical to think that they turned people that were dealing with our Ambassador who were exposed in those dispatches. To think otherwise is naive.

Treason has nothing to do with corporate greed. Swearing an oath to your country has nothing to do with being a capitalist which the basic goal is to get all of the boardwalk properties and win the game.

JP

We definitely know that he compromised over 10,000 diplomatic messages buy releasing confidential material. That is a fact and is punishable by life in Leavenworth.

Peaker, they would have immediately investigated the issue in a partisan Congress and Senate, there are many Republicans that would have been happy to give this legs.

Benghazi happened because they knew the Ambassadors route of travel and that he was staying at the remote unguarded embassy and not the regular Marine protected embassy. That only comes from intel from those that knew his schedule and that came from people that the Ambassador was dealing with on the ground. It is only logical to think that they turned people that were dealing with our Ambassador who were exposed in those dispatches. To think otherwise is naive.

Treason has nothing to do with corporate greed. Swearing an oath to your country has nothing to do with being a capitalist which the basic goal is to get all of the boardwalk properties and win the game.

JP

you can not equate what he did to murders and rapes or corporate greed. He leaked classified information including thousands of Diplomatic dispatches to an outside fringe quasi news organization. The diplomatic dispatches alone put many of out diplomats and their intel units at risk. I honestly wonder if the attack on our Ambassador in Benghazi was not the result of intel breaches in that country from just 2 years earlier due to this leaker? In essence could they have learned of our Ambassador's travel habits or whom he was meeting with and that compromised his security. The information that was leaked discussed what the Diplomats were working on as well as who they were paying for intel. These were supposed to be private with their US counterparts and not for any outside intel units working against the USA. Leaking or taking any classified information is illegal and needs to be punished.

The funny thing is that he signed his life away when he gained the classified security clearances. He signed off on what could happen to him if he leaked any classified information that came across his computer screen. Every time your clearance goes up you have to resign that you know the consequence of of not only deliberate leaking but also of accidental leaking of classified information.

What he did was illegal and against anything he swore to uphold. He deserves to rot in that prison for every day he has earned with his actions.

P.S. A whistle blower is not the issue here at all (not that you said it was blowing the whistle directly). If this was simply about blowing the whistle on corruption both he and Snowden could have easily taken an easy route which would have given them full immunity as long as they did it under the constitution of this great country. They simply could have approached one or many Congressmen or Senators and explained who they are and the scope of the corruption. The Senate and Congress have separate committees that are on the lookout for this type of information and would have actively investigated it (especially in light of the politically charged election in the last few years). They would have found an ear that would have listened.

This was about making a name for themselves and them thinking they knew better than the chain of command. There is no gray area here.

One mans opinion.

JP

Hey everyone. Well I figured it was time to join up! Should be fun!

JP

I completely understand and will gladly give you any info you need. I am an open book and I am no longer with the 6th. I am an honest person and can tell you last night that No rest for the Wicked pm'ed me while I was looking at his spray (it was a unit he was involved in starting while with the 6th and he was banned for it). I knew harris and had small talk and he asked me about a unit that i am looking to form. This conversation was in PM and he is a ex-unit member (6th) of mine. I thought I was talking to a friend and he is not affiliated with the 1st.

He asked about the unit i am looking to form and basically i told him that i am simply looking for 20-30 member to have fun and play on some custom maps. I told him we were not looking to recruit only to add friends. In fact, i felt he was fishing and I immediately told him in my PM that i do not feel comfortable talking about this (even in a PM) while i was on a another units server.

I am forming a unit of friends. I would never try to recruit for your unit. Harris (no rest) is unfortunately getting some pay back because I was in the command staff on the 6th when he got banned and it is even more ridiculous since I did not ban him Fitzsimmons did. I hate to say that there are about 2 other ex-sixth members that are changing their names and going on to other servers posing as me and trolling. I have a screen shot of one showing my name in his list of alias.

I am sorry that this drama was brought to your doorstep. If talking to someone in a Private message about personal things, while playing on your server is a breach of your rules, then I am guilty and apologize. Your unit has no part in this and for the time I was playing here I was treated with the utmost respect and I again thank you all for that. I would like to continue playing on your server but understand if the ban needs to stay.

Thanks again for the opportunity to set the record straight.

JP

Name: JP OGara

Steam I.D: 0:1:2812179

Date & Time of ban: not sure looked over the website for source bans but could not find Who what why.

Admin who banned you: again not sure

Excuse for the Unban: I check the entire home page but cant find where to look up why I was banned and by whom. Also checked your ban requests and nothing. I have been playing on your site for the last few weeks. I am not connected with any unit at this time and a free agent. I know Stone and Richard the later only from playing here. You have a great unit and I am quite impressed with the level of respect. In fact Parker that was why I sent you that friends request to tell you that. I was on last night shagging and fragging and having fun. Went to pop in tonight and I am banned. I like playing here and would like the opportunity to be unbanned. Would like to know what happened so it will not be repeated.

Thanks for the opportunity.

JP